| [quote=LucianRoy message=51688240] AlbertinoDias said: lastwhisper31 said: i have to agree with last on here, it's not overreaction.... he used the tool everyone uses, past reference.... if you are able to say, he's laying like last time, last time he was town, now he's town (that btw that's a fallacy, just saying), the he can also say, last game people did this and i almost died, last game i was town, this game i'm town and people are still doing this. ... come on... all i can see is you starting to buddy up with gwen (@LucianRoy) so yeah i will unvote and Vote:lucianRoy How can you say this is an overreaction, "it only takes a spark to ignite the flame". Like I stated before all sorts of information can arise regardless of the alignment of lynchee, but that doesnt mean I personally want to be lynched, so Ill will defend myself till the end. Edit: Spelling It seems to me like you're viewing the concept of defense as a static entity that's inherently town motivated, when in reality it's really dynamic and comes in multiple forms ranging from scummy to towny. Point out specifically where you think I'm trying to pocket Gwen. If you think I'm trying to pocket Gwen by voting Last, then why did I start the actual push? and why?? well, not just because the get along soundly to go in for Last but also because Last was still reading all the posts and you asked why he was evading the question, you did not even let him def himself... you went right after the "evading questions", and the there is post #37.... i only see 2 options, you are town you do really want to lead town because you think you are the best to assume control and can lead us to victory, or you are MAfia, and are doing the same but to lead town to the loss, but, if you are indeed town, why this?? " If anyone is interested in how town can optimally carry out a majority lynch, you just have to ask me, or I'll explain in greater detail should we need to cross that kind of bridge. ", in the post #40 i say, yeah then explain it or explain later, but if you are really town, it would be of your most interest to explain it in the moment... why?? because the other noobs could also be town... and that would help... and you did not, i can only think that's because you are Mafia P.S the last post i read befor posting this was #222 It seems like you're assuming I have to explain everything all the time to help town. I also don't understand why you think me not giving unsolicited advice on optimal play is indicative of me being scum, and why soliciting that advice for a later and more applicable part of the game makes me scummy. I didn't feel like going into too much detail because it wouldn't be applicable to RVS, and it's mostly distracting from scumhunting. Still, it's important to cover at some point during the day, so I did a good portion of explaining tough situations that could arise and NAI strategy then. 1- i know the defence can go both ways, the problem is that people look at it as a mafia way most of the times... 2- you're right i missed that you were the one to start (sorry about that, my bad, will review it again) i do not assume you have to explain everything but, picture this scenario: out of 15 people 2-4 are noobs, you are pro and say, hey guys i know stuff that can help you, do you want to hear it??, and the noobs are like yes please; in this case you have to options, tell or not tell, if town, you would tell, it would help everyone, if Mafia, you wouldn't tell, it would help mafia, and if careless (the town) the town would see you as one of them, because you tried to help them (but in reality you didn't) and you would be a werewolf in the granny's house, OR you could save it for later, in that case, 1- you would be town and forgot and that's a mistake, or 2- you really tell later the noobs go to your side and in reality you are Mafia and just got the better out of us, that's how i see it, and the: we were still in RVs just favours me... because we are that early in the game that you have to tell, because if you tell it later it will be too rushed... (i bet you would never explain it if i did not talk about it... not that you will explain but, that you would have already forgotten about that) and if rushed, it will support the 2 scenario mafia aligned. and i did ask for it ;) it's because it will not be applicated in that time that you should tell, it helps you define a strategy (when i say you, i mean me....) i'm not a good person in reading people, but i do make theories and do strategies, that's my point. i still have to read the posts again, sorry for saying you were the one to get in the "train" (last post seen: #247) |
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| #206 @Sleipnirr Nice little simulation and it taught me a few things or two about game theory ^^ (Albeit a bit off-topic) Red_Salmon said: I think Red_Salmon is acting very much NOT scummy. This game is quite slow compared to most other recent games I feel, and if I was scum I would have absolutely no problem with that because it's easier to control the flow of the game if the flow is slow. The way Red_Salmon says "hurry up town!" seems very genuine to me.@wen294 you answered him while I was still typing :p awkward double explanation The_Pyromaani said: @ironace i would consider that quite scummy if we like rush the votes on someone quick quick quick to make a lynch. We need to be cautious and not rush. If we go rush route. We probably should just go play roulette and wish best^^ Then again i dont want this to go last minute thing since it will be rushed again. I say if possible 3-4 hours beofre phase change is optimal. Max 2. Well it certainly wouldn't be considered rushing if we start now as we're still near just the half way point of the game. When we're near the time limit its easier for Mafia to just sheep their way into a wagon. LucianRoy said: Zymf said: This gives me slight scum-vibes based on how I personally play. 1. I always like to defend myself, but especially as scum, because I'll often have a defence prepared and ready. 2. I am often very open and honest, but especially as scum, because I want to earn the towns trust that way. Vote: AlbertinoDias Let's hear your "defence" then, if you have anything to say. Where's the scum motive in that post though? Seems like he just wants to talk. It is not that there is a "theoretically explainable" scum motive in what he says. Instead it is his wording and his approach that just gives me scum-vibes. To be honest I think I'm only good at two things; mechanics and catch-up posts. Whenever I have to do actual detective work, I suck. The best I can do is to stumble upon posts that stick out as odd to me and says "This is not how I would respond as town / This is close to what I would do as scum". I think I explained as clearly as it can be in my first post, why I found AlbertinoDias scummy. My town read on Red_Salmon just above is also completely based on this type of behavioral analysis. I am not sure if it's an effective scum hunting method or just a waste of time, but it's a thing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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Sleip said: I'm confused at what is going on here, are you applying someone else's meta to another person and using that as justification of a lynch because that feels an awfully lot like reaching to me. @Sleipnirr Its simple why would you want an active and engaged town. I already said the benefits of scum controlling the flow but let me state it again. If you remember SoulEaterQueen's past games when she was scum she tended to keep town active despite normally that being harmfull for scum but when she did that it was usefull to the scum instead. The reason being since she was controlling the flow she was choosing who was going to be lynched or focused and she played it magnificently. She focused a townie till the end of the phase and when that townie claimed near the end of the phase they had to randomly pick a lynch which would end up another townie. So I believe you are trying to do the same here. Controlling the town while being active and gaining town cred and protecting your teammates. @Red_Salmon Red said: Okay what about you? What do you think so far in the gamestate. I saw that you posted right before I went to work and have not heard much of your opinion so far.Yea! I'll ping 'em later tonight End of Page three |
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| @Shinichi-kun and @lastwhisper31 - I know this is a bit off-topic maybe, but I've wondered... How is it like playing a forum mafia game together when you can also interact IRL? Can you tell eachothers alignment from face expressions and the like? And it's against the rules to talk about the game outside of the thread, but is it not almost impossible not to break that rule assuming you live in the same house? Do you sometimes knock on eachothers door, open and say: "Go read what Lucian just posted!" or "Get on your computer and answer the questions I asked you in-thread!"? O.o |
wen294 said: And here I thought he was just always lynched first regardless of alignment.I've played 2 games with AbuHeman. First game he was inactive and got lynched, he flipped scum. Second game he was inactive and got replaced, his slot flipped scum. @Shinichi-kun has started to ping me on this page. His responses are striking me as both overly helpful and rather light and airy like he is trying to come off as nice and trustworthy. It is kind of stands out as different from the others posts on the page that are more searching and asking rather then looking and poking. wen294 said: Actually it is scaryly few. The majority of the second page was speculation about third party roles and the third was about mechanics, it is only now on page four that the game has really started. People are beginning now to make posts that seem to show their thinking and movement. It took a really long time to get out of RVS this game. ironace said: L-1, when you're one vote away from achieving a lynch.Secondly,Whats L-1, L-2? Sometimes there were many ideas that i couldnt understand like Sliepner's(or how one spells it) ''wild theories'' Somebody help me? L-2, when you're 2 votes away. (counted after your vote is already placed. So basically when you place the 7th vote say L-1 behind it so we know after yours there's only 1 more vote needed to get a lynch) Also, 4 pages in close to an entire day isn't a lot. In fact, it's a scarily few. The_Pyromaani said: But we shan't want until the end either. Or we will be really up the creek. @ironace i would consider that quite scummy if we like rush the votes on someone quick quick quick to make a lynch. We need to be cautious and not rush. If we go rush route. We probably should just go play roulette and wish best^^ Then again i dont want this to go last minute thing since it will be rushed again. I say if possible 3-4 hours beofre phase change is optimal. Max 2. Middle of page 4, too long, making new post. |
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Zymf said: @Shinichi-kun and @lastwhisper31 - I know this is a bit off-topic maybe, but I've wondered... How is it like playing a forum mafia game together when you can also interact IRL? Can you tell eachothers alignment from face expressions and the like? And it's against the rules to talk about the game outside of the thread, but is it not almost impossible not to break that rule assuming you live in the same house? Do you sometimes knock on eachothers door, open and say: "Go read what Lucian just posted!" or "Get on your computer and answer the questions I asked you in-thread!"? O.o Lmao we aren't psychic or mind readers, cause if that was the case i would have realized my brother was scum is kiznaiver. Also ya stuff slips off the tongue but never anything major. As for the 1st question sometimes out of just like ethusiam haha. As for the 2nd question I wouldn't even need to cause if hes home or i am home we're most likely readint the thread :P |
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Sleipnirr said: This is also what I do and sometimes I never learn if I am wrong. I try but I am often wrong. Gwendolly said: try referring them as their avatar's gender thats what I usually do I am a he btwAlso until I not know all your gender; I'm just gonna refer to everyone as a "he" xD Yes, I'm assuming your gender mewhaha! --------------- Something I noticed a lot while reading People defending other people. I have not seen such an interesting case of it. You could almost make an entire report this game about who people are backing. Shinichi helping Abu, Whisper backing well almost everyone who falls under suspicion like he is trying to keep the game super neutral (ushing sleip not thinking it's fine too.) odd playing going on there. Also there is an amazing amount of hand holding for Abu going on when I have seen him play in many games. ----------------- A this point @LastWhisper31 also picks up a ping because of his constant swaying and backing between targets. He seems to be trying to look like he is thinking about the game but in the end it really looks like swinging between people without making cases or just being a general backer of everyone else. He has an opinion about everyone but it reads as the opposite of what the person above them were talking even if it s a 180 from their last post. This one is worth watching. Also what is with him and the psycho-pass game everything is not a reference to it, nor can it be used to clear anything in this game. This is the third time I have seen it referenced in four pages. You do not seem to have any wild theories this game and your playstyle is sidestepping and moving around. Vote: LastWhisper |
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Suzune-chan said: I think you are the scummy one. Abu I am less decided on. Care to expand on that? |
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Shinichi-Kun said: (it's time to sleep ^^)and everyone died again lol |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Still read you both as pretty much null, nothing either of you have done indicates just 1 alignment. Most of the stuff posts by you 2 could come from either alignment. Really? Scum would also most likely give tips but you do it every game so it pretty much is null. Ignore any tips I give, because I do agree, those are NAI. I'm much more interested in your opinion of how I reacted to Sleiph's vote, and the interactions of me and Gwen. Both of which I'd consider fairly alignment indicative things. A lot of her posts could be seen that way unless you can some how to pick out some sort of fact that absolutely guarantees her posts are actually town motivated. The only problem I have is Gwen has actually been mis-lynched a lot because of these so called pro town comments, I know there was 1 game specifically just not sure the name. How do you read their vote on Last then? Just putting more pressure on that train, I also indicated that i rather sort my brother out sooner than later because the last time I defended him willingly nilly he was actually scum. That's a fair reason. I take it that means you're backing the reasons Gwen and I presented too, no? Well if your used to it then you tell me what does it say about their alignment? Well, the read alone could easily come from scum who has no reasoning to read me town because they already know I'm town, which is part of the reason I pointed it out, but in retrospect I don't think I was clear enough in my words. @Red_Salmon, could you possibly explain your townread on me more in-depth? You can fight me at that statement all you want, but i don't like trying to form half ass reads on day 1. Do you think my townread on Gwen on page 4 is half-assed? I'd say there's quite a bit of merit to it. |
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| @abuhumaid Suzune makes a very fair point, most if not all of us have been holding your hand too much. I rather avoid the possibility of any sort of miss lynches happening, unless you're scum then it would be nice to lynch you. @Sleipnirr How do you propose we go about prevent a mass chaos day 1 lynch? Between now and 7 hours would be the best time to cause a lock. Mainly because not sure how many people could even manage to be around 2-3 hours before phase change out of European/ME/Aussie players. @Gwendolly Im still curious of why you brought up the mechanics talk, generally speaking outside of the tpr stuff, the vote talk was much needed. It's actually kinda getting old because 1 or 2 people always mention something about mechanic talk being toxic for the town. When depending on the situation it can be quite helpful. Sure it may help mafia also figure out the game but it also helps town do the same which they have a numbers advantage. @Zymf Why did you ask us that question? Also can you elaborate more on that Salmon Read? @AlbertinoDias Whats with the frustration on the terms, all you have to do is ask and we will tell you. No real need to get so worked up about them. Just a few things i wanted to address |
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LucianRoy said: Shinichi-Kun said: Still read you both as pretty much null, nothing either of you have done indicates just 1 alignment. Most of the stuff posts by you 2 could come from either alignment. Really? Scum would also most likely give tips but you do it every game so it pretty much is null. Ignore any tips I give, because I do agree, those are NAI. I'm much more interested in your opinion of how I reacted to Sleiph's vote, and the interactions of me and Gwen. Both of which I'd consider fairly alignment indicative things. A lot of her posts could be seen that way unless you can some how to pick out some sort of fact that absolutely guarantees her posts are actually town motivated. The only problem I have is Gwen has actually been mis-lynched a lot because of these so called pro town comments, I know there was 1 game specifically just not sure the name. How do you read their vote on Last then? Just putting more pressure on that train, I also indicated that i rather sort my brother out sooner than later because the last time I defended him willingly nilly he was actually scum. That's a fair reason. I take it that means you're backing the reasons Gwen and I presented too, no? Well if your used to it then you tell me what does it say about their alignment? Well, the read alone could easily come from scum who has no reasoning to read me town because they already know I'm town, which is part of the reason I pointed it out, but in retrospect I don't think I was clear enough in my words. @Red_Salmon, could you possibly explain your townread on me more in-depth? You can fight me at that statement all you want, but i don't like trying to form half ass reads on day 1. Do you think my townread on Gwen on page 4 is half-assed? I'd say there's quite a bit of merit to it. Yes really do you find that strange coming from me? I'm honestly better at scum reading people than town reading, which is why I like to wait till day 2. Your reaction to sleipnirr vote isn't any different than how would react to any other nonsensical vote. You react the same way Logic does when he get's voted especially when their reasoning doesn't make sense. The biggest thing I get from your interactions is if one of you manages to flip scum the other is too, but if either or flip town i am positive the other is too. Unless your both unaligned pairs which I can't see that being a thing with your interaction. Tbf you mind meld a lot with players, but outside of that, it doesn't give me any clear direction in figuring out your alignment. From past game perspective, that vote is coming from a town aligned gwenny. Why would scum blatantly read someone as a town without reasoning that just is silly and quite risky? I was hoping you would link it but Ill go read up on it now and reply to it. |
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LucianRoy said: Page 3 I almost missed it, but Gwen just brought up the most amazing question. @ last, how are you already so certain this is my town-game from only page 1, and how were you able to sort me this early? Oh boy. Vote: Lastwhisper --- You beat me to it. --- Major townvibes from Gwen's approach to the game thus far. Feels like the only other person who's aware of all the non-alignment indicative stuff being repeated in the thread, and they're trying to make the most of it to get out of that situation. The town motivation is tangible. I don't know if I'm being biased because nobody else has brought it up, but I mind-meld with #120 at that stage in the game quite a bit. --- lastwhisper31 said: Most of everyones votes are RVS right now, and Sleip got serious for a reason that I dont believe is scummy, so I chimed in, and stated while Sleip is giving him a scum lead by his early posts, I on the other hand am giving him a more town lean. This does not however mean I have a scum lean on Sleip. A lot of people still havnt talked, and if they want me to come back to this also, then I will. This feels like it completely dodged Gwen's question about townreading me. Maybe Im just too used to the meta of MS, but a read like especially a town one happens every game. This is the first time someone has just sat down asking that sort of question like Gwen did. Also, i am equally aware of the NAI stuff that has been happening not only in this game but every game. Not only am I a victim to it I am also part of the horrid situation. I just didn't want blanantly point out the obvious is all. I still do however agree you might be biased since what she said could have been brought up by both scum and town gwen. I just really like her question. |
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Zymf said: @Shinichi-kun and @lastwhisper31 - I know this is a bit off-topic maybe, but I've wondered... How is it like playing a forum mafia game together when you can also interact IRL? Can you tell eachothers alignment from face expressions and the like? And it's against the rules to talk about the game outside of the thread, but is it not almost impossible not to break that rule assuming you live in the same house? Do you sometimes knock on eachothers door, open and say: "Go read what Lucian just posted!" or "Get on your computer and answer the questions I asked you in-thread!"? O.o There was a case on this years ago on Mafiascum, I forget what happened or who was involved, but I think it basically came down to this: if at any point the mods think you're exchanging info outside the game, they can reprimand you, but they need something to show the site moderators that their actions aren't made-up or ill-founded. --- Zymf said: It is not that there is a "theoretically explainable" scum motive in what he says. Instead it is his wording and his approach that just gives me scum-vibes. To be honest I think I'm only good at two things; mechanics and catch-up posts. Whenever I have to do actual detective work, I suck. The best I can do is to stumble upon posts that stick out as odd to me and says "This is not how I would respond as town / This is close to what I would do as scum". I think I explained as clearly as it can be in my first post, why I found AlbertinoDias scummy. My town read on Red_Salmon just above is also completely based on this type of behavioral analysis. I am not sure if it's an effective scum hunting method or just a waste of time, but it's a thing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ That's fair, I suppose, but I still feel like that wouldn't account for playstyle clashes or inexperience. --- AlbertinoDias said: 1- i know the defence can go both ways, the problem is that people look at it as a mafia way most of the times... Ok, but with this, why do you think Last's responses are likely to come from town? 2- you're right i missed that you were the one to start (sorry about that, my bad, will review it again) i do not assume you have to explain everything but, picture this scenario: out of 15 people 2-4 are noobs, you are pro and say, hey guys i know stuff that can help you, do you want to hear it??, and the noobs are like yes please; in this case you have to options, tell or not tell, if town, you would tell, it would help everyone, if Mafia, you wouldn't tell, it would help mafia, and if careless (the town) the town would see you as one of them, because you tried to help them (but in reality you didn't) and you would be a werewolf in the granny's house, OR you could save it for later, in that case, 1- you would be town and forgot and that's a mistake, or 2- you really tell later the noobs go to your side and in reality you are Mafia and just got the better out of us, that's how i see it, and the: we were still in RVs just favours me... because we are that early in the game that you have to tell, because if you tell it later it will be too rushed... (i bet you would never explain it if i did not talk about it... not that you will explain but, that you would have already forgotten about that) and if rushed, it will support the 2 scenario mafia aligned. and i did ask for it ;) it's because it will not be applicated in that time that you should tell, it helps you define a strategy (when i say you, i mean me....) i'm not a good person in reading people, but i do make theories and do strategies, that's my point. That is a very large hypothetical that has two very different scenarios. I believe there is a gap in your logic because you're finding me scummy for something that I didn't do/ haven't done yet/ will not do. --- AlbertinoDias said: ho yes btw, can you please, PLEASE stop using shortcuts to the words, and/or Acronyms that are very specific, why?? are you saking?? What is NAI?? i though it was a way to say No in a "Germanic way" without the last N (nain) what is W/o?? (well i think i can guess it's without) but W/e??... or the Grrr thing... thank you for your attention.... Acronyms are really useful and easy to use to convey concepts or actions that are somewhat complicated or tedious to explain fully. Here is a list that clears up many of them: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Commonly_Used_Abbreviations Oddly enough, NAI is not under that list, but it stands for Non-Alignment-Indicative. --- Suzune-chan said: Something I noticed a lot while reading People defending other people. I have not seen such an interesting case of it. You could almost make an entire report this game about who people are backing. Shinichi helping Abu, Whisper backing well almost everyone who falls under suspicion like he is trying to keep the game super neutral (ushing sleip not thinking it's fine too.) odd playing going on there. Also there is an amazing amount of hand holding for Abu going on when I have seen him play in many games. I noticed this too, but I none of it so far struck me as scum white-knighting any town so far... It could be much more indicative in the event of a scum-flip. A this point @LastWhisper31 also picks up a ping because of his constant swaying and backing between targets. He seems to be trying to look like he is thinking about the game but in the end it really looks like swinging between people without making cases or just being a general backer of everyone else. He has an opinion about everyone but it reads as the opposite of what the person above them were talking even if it s a 180 from their last post. This one is worth watching. Where in the thread do do you think he does this most prevalently? Also what is with him and the psycho-pass game everything is not a reference to it, nor can it be used to clear anything in this game. This is the third time I have seen it referenced in four pages. You do not seem to have any wild theories this game and your playstyle is sidestepping and moving around. Vote: LastWhisper I really want to know if I was in this psycho-pass game because I think I've played in a couple, and I cannot remember. --- Yes. |
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| I have to leave now but before I go, how do I put that post right, I do not know how,(@Shinichi-Kun) and, I'm not frustrated xD that's something I'm used to do with my friends when I want them to do something, sorry if I was confusing you. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Yes really do you find that strange coming from me? I'm honestly better at scum reading people than town reading, which is why I like to wait till day 2. I just think sorting town in the early game is just as important as figuring out who the scum are. I find it strange because I think I'm obv-towning to help the town in general by being a keystone read, but I suppose I am not doing that. Your reaction to sleipnirr vote isn't any different than how would react to any other nonsensical vote. You react the same way Logic does when he get's voted especially when their reasoning doesn't make sense. Ohhhhh, I see where you're coming from on this. The biggest thing I get from your interactions is if one of you manages to flip scum the other is too, but if either or flip town i am positive the other is too. Unless your both unaligned pairs which I can't see that being a thing with your interaction. Tbf you mind meld a lot with players, but outside of that, it doesn't give me any clear direction in figuring out your alignment. Ahh, sounds like a hesitant TvT, but it comes across as a bit pre-associative. I just wanted to clarify. From past game perspective, that vote is coming from a town aligned gwenny. Okay, that's meta, but fair enough. Why would scum blatantly read someone as a town without reasoning that just is silly and quite risky? Well, then look at it as me attempting to draw that reasoning out of them in order to confirm that A) it's not made-up, and B) it's coming from town. Iirc, Salmon only said something along the lines of "I town read Lucian." Shinichi-Kun said: Maybe Im just too used to the meta of MS, but a read like especially a town one happens every game. This is the first time someone has just sat down asking that sort of question like Gwen did. That's a rather interesting perspective to take on it. Do you think it's alignment indicative? Also, i am equally aware of the NAI stuff that has been happening not only in this game but every game. Not only am I a victim to it I am also part of the horrid situation. I just didn't want blanantly point out the obvious is all. Thank goodness, needed a sanity check on that one. I still do however agree you might be biased since what she said could have been brought up by both scum and town gwen. I just really like her question. Hmm. Alright. But if you 'like' the question, does that translate into you finding it town-motivated? |
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| @LucianRoy I noticed this too, but I none of it so far struck me as scum white-knighting any town so far... Well that is kind of my point in pointing it out. If we help too much or people are too cheery about it then it will make cleaning it up later a mess. I am not for in game coaching because I think it affects the way that people view that person in the game because by looking more helpful you are less likely to fall under scrutiny. It could be much more indicative in the event of a scum-flip. Where in the thread do do you think he does this most prevalently? Here he comes of chummy with someone who's previous theory he was all up in arms about. Here To just become united over that and with no real reason to back down save for the post about it on the fourth page where is basically hand waves Sleip away. On page for he was joking and being light about wen voting togs. On page five he critiques it Here This one is quite odd Here Here we see a very defensive defense of someone else Tone flip flop and apparently it needed an immediate follow up post? Follow up That is my evidence |
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Gwendolly said: If it makes you feel better, I did not find you out of place or in suspect of anything. Before reading anything; I'm just noticing that Shinichi and lucian are the only ones asking me questions/approaching me. No one else? That's interesting |
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LucianRoy said: I think Last is scum. Feels like he's dodging Gwen's and mine questions, and I really do not understand how he was able to sort me so fast on page 1, because I was waayyyy far from sorting anyone there. lastwhisper31 said: Idk what else to say, this is like a repeat of the Psycho Pass game. I guess I need to watch my adverbs?? Ive played with lucian, and he was exactly like this before, honestly it even angered me in my game with him, just as much as it frustrates Sleip to watch someone try so hard to control the game. Most posts ive read so far arent giving me any indication but NAI. Dont really know what else to say at this point, I spent most of psycho pass trying to clear myself because everyone saw my constant view changes and wordings as scum. But I swear to you guys that I'm town, this is just me being me. @Gwendolly, does this post strike you as AtE, or an appeal to emotion? I feel like this is an overreaction to both my vote and yours. We only asked three questions in total, and this is how he's responding? You both were town in the psycho pass game? |
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Gwendolly said: Lucian was not in the psycho-pass game in questionLucianRoy said: I think Last is scum. Feels like he's dodging Gwen's and mine questions, and I really do not understand how he was able to sort me so fast on page 1, because I was waayyyy far from sorting anyone there. @Gwendolly, does this post strike you as AtE, or an appeal to emotion? I feel like this is an overreaction to both my vote and yours. We only asked three questions in total, and this is how he's responding? You both were town in the psycho pass game? |
Where there is no imagination there is no horror. || Arthur Conan Doyle || Happy Halloween! |
Didn't see any reason to keep my vote on Togs. That simple, I changed shortly after to your brother! |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Your surprised at this why lol? If you make a certain amount of posts that seem like they're coming from town then it's not that weird. Until a lynch happens none of my reads will be certain. Good to know im being lynched for town reading, Im gunna have to out my role at this point, I wont have time in the morning to check up on this game . |
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That's taken for granted yet she was the one shouting out the time yet doing nothing about it or be of any help |
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lastwhisper31 said: Shinichi-Kun said: Your surprised at this why lol? If you make a certain amount of posts that seem like they're coming from town then it's not that weird. Until a lynch happens none of my reads will be certain. Good to know im being lynched for town reading, Im gunna have to out my role at this point, I wont have time in the morning to check up on this game . @Gwendolly, Last seems really intent on proving themselves town in this post by claiming pre-emptively. What do you make of it? |
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| @lucianroy If you were certain of your reads, I'd think you were scum. seems to contradict this, This is referencing a game I don't know, and gives the impression you're undercutting our reasons for voting you by chalking it up to word-choice. Lmao, word choice is literally what started this, Gwens main point came from pretty much bolding the fact that I use "Definitely". and you've been using that to build incase against me, and every possible case I make against that is just thrown under the boss. God forbid I get town vibes from only a few posts. You can scum read someone for a few posts, but town reading is forbidden, because only mafia know town, so its obvious that he knows that lucian really is town. Theres nothing I can do against that logic unless I find scum leads on someone else, and finding day 1 scum leads is my weakest link. |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
Shinichi-Kun said: @Gwendolly Im still curious of why you brought up the mechanics talk, generally speaking outside of the tpr stuff, the vote talk was much needed. It's actually kinda getting old because 1 or 2 people always mention something about mechanic talk being toxic for the town. When depending on the situation it can be quite helpful. Sure it may help mafia also figure out the game but it also helps town do the same which they have a numbers advantage. I brouht it up because that is something that was simply happening at this moment? Nothing else...I had nothing negative to say about it, it was just a summarization of what happened so far. Clearing up the mechanics sure is helpful but it can also distract from the actual stuff. Like Suzune had nothing else to say in order to stay neutral at this moment,...it's a smart move. |
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Shinichi said: A lot of her posts could be seen that way unless you can some how to pick out some sort of fact that absolutely guarantees her posts are actually town motivated. The only problem I have is Gwen has actually been mis-lynched a lot because of these so called pro town comments, I know there was 1 game specifically just not sure the name. I have never been mislynched btw only nightkilled. |
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AlbertinoDias said: Sorry Im playing as is everyone knows the english language very well. My bad, "w/o" means without. I believe NAI as already been explained.ho yes btw, can you please, PLEASE stop using shortcuts to the words, and/or Acronyms that are very specific, why?? are you saking?? What is NAI?? i though it was a way to say No in a "Germanic way" without the last N (nain) what is W/o?? (well i think i can guess it's without) but W/e??... or the Grrr thing... thank you for your attention.... |
| blinddate she was never awake even with her eyes wide open never where she longed to be and if you’d meet her just know you were on a blind date with a dreamer |
Gwendolly said: Didn't see any reason to keep my vote on Togs. That simple, I changed shortly after to your brother! I i saw that after i commented, the vote change made sense. Just confuzzled on why u unvoted first when it felt like u had a scum read on last way before that. |
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Gwendolly said: Shinichi said: A lot of her posts could be seen that way unless you can some how to pick out some sort of fact that absolutely guarantees her posts are actually town motivated. The only problem I have is Gwen has actually been mis-lynched a lot because of these so called pro town comments, I know there was 1 game specifically just not sure the name. I have never been mislynched btw only nightkilled. Maybe im confusing you with ruu then lol |
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Suzune-chan said: Lucian was not in the psycho-pass game in question Sorry I dont understand. He was or he was not in the game? >.< edit: Since LW mentioned being angry about lucian, was just wondering if it was this so rumored psycho pass game. |
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lastwhisper31 said: Shinichi-Kun said: Your surprised at this why lol? If you make a certain amount of posts that seem like they're coming from town then it's not that weird. Until a lynch happens none of my reads will be certain. Good to know im being lynched for town reading, Im gunna have to out my role at this point, I wont have time in the morning to check up on this game . I wouldnt want to lynch someone active. Feel free to convince me, as you havent properly done that. |
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LucianRoy said: Shinichi-Kun said: Yes really do you find that strange coming from me? I'm honestly better at scum reading people than town reading, which is why I like to wait till day 2. I just think sorting town in the early game is just as important as figuring out who the scum are. I find it strange because I think I'm obv-towning to help the town in general by being a keystone read, but I suppose I am not doing that. Your reaction to sleipnirr vote isn't any different than how would react to any other nonsensical vote. You react the same way Logic does when he get's voted especially when their reasoning doesn't make sense. Ohhhhh, I see where you're coming from on this. The biggest thing I get from your interactions is if one of you manages to flip scum the other is too, but if either or flip town i am positive the other is too. Unless your both unaligned pairs which I can't see that being a thing with your interaction. Tbf you mind meld a lot with players, but outside of that, it doesn't give me any clear direction in figuring out your alignment. Ahh, sounds like a hesitant TvT, but it comes across as a bit pre-associative. I just wanted to clarify. From past game perspective, that vote is coming from a town aligned gwenny. Okay, that's meta, but fair enough. Why would scum blatantly read someone as a town without reasoning that just is silly and quite risky? Well, then look at it as me attempting to draw that reasoning out of them in order to confirm that A) it's not made-up, and B) it's coming from town. Iirc, Salmon only said something along the lines of "I town read Lucian." Shinichi-Kun said: Maybe Im just too used to the meta of MS, but a read like especially a town one happens every game. This is the first time someone has just sat down asking that sort of question like Gwen did. That's a rather interesting perspective to take on it. Do you think it's alignment indicative? Also, i am equally aware of the NAI stuff that has been happening not only in this game but every game. Not only am I a victim to it I am also part of the horrid situation. I just didn't want blanantly point out the obvious is all. Thank goodness, needed a sanity check on that one. I still do however agree you might be biased since what she said could have been brought up by both scum and town gwen. I just really like her question. Hmm. Alright. But if you 'like' the question, does that translate into you finding it town-motivated? If you think thats true why are you surprised that a few people are pocket town reading you lol. I do too, but i feel like its easier to find scum intent than it is to accurately find a town first day. Why wouldn't it be hesitant, the chance of S v S is possible so thats why i am hesitant to point all fingers at the T v T. Meta not my first choice, but it's a start for me. Fair enough, people might react differently when you counter argue their read, but for that to happen a reason needs to be clearly stated. AI sure, the problem we are faced with like I said "Its the first time someone has really asked a question like that". Most people ask why are you town reading so so, normally you don't ask how are you town reading someone so early. Town Motivated sure but that doesnt mean town aligned, though i am liking her so far so I will see where that leads. |
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lastwhisper31 said: Shinichi-Kun said: Your surprised at this why lol? If you make a certain amount of posts that seem like they're coming from town then it's not that weird. Until a lynch happens none of my reads will be certain. Good to know im being lynched for town reading, Im gunna have to out my role at this point, I wont have time in the morning to check up on this game . This has to do with people pocketing Lucian not you lol |
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Gwendolly said: lastwhisper31 said: Good to know im being lynched for town reading, Im gunna have to out my role at this point, I wont have time in the morning to check up on this game . I wouldnt want to lynch someone active. Feel free to convince me, as you havent properly done that. What happened to your conviction, also ignore the game's health when deciding who to lynch. |
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Suzune-chan said: A this point @LastWhisper31 also picks up a ping because of his constant swaying and backing between targets. He seems to be trying to look like he is thinking about the game but in the end it really looks like swinging between people without making cases or just being a general backer of everyone else. He has an opinion about everyone but it reads as the opposite of what the person above them were talking even if it s a 180 from their last post. This one is worth watching. Also what is with him and the psycho-pass game everything is not a reference to it, nor can it be used to clear anything in this game. This is the third time I have seen it referenced in four pages. You do not seem to have any wild theories this game and your playstyle is sidestepping and moving around. First of all your wrong, Im always thinking about the game, always reading posts, always analyzing, so don't state what I do and don't do. Why do you refer to the people I quote and talk to as targets??? He has an opinion about everyone but it reads as the opposite of what the person above them were talking even if it s a 180 from their last post. This one is worth watching. What opinion of everyone else? lol, I told you most all posts were nai, except how I saw Lucians posts. I havent even suspected anyone really, and explain to me where I completely 180 peoples thoughts and read? So now I need to go a long with every read or I'm scum? and What wild theories am I suppose to have, I only stated that towards Sleip cause as much as I think it was wild, I do know where hes coming from because, I posted a lot of stuff like that in previous games. You can easily turn anything anyone says against them, or for them, "I like wild theories", well I dont see any wild theories yet, hmm, hmm??? |
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Gwendolly said: Suzune-chan said: Lucian was not in the psycho-pass game in question Sorry I dont understand. He was or he was not in the game? >.< edit: Since LW mentioned being angry about lucian, was just wondering if it was this so rumored psycho pass game. I mentioned it, but it was the wrong person, It was Togs that I meant t refer to, from the kiznaiver game. |
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lastwhisper31 said: @lucianroy If you were certain of your reads, I'd think you were scum. seems to contradict this, This is referencing a game I don't know, and gives the impression you're undercutting our reasons for voting you by chalking it up to word-choice. Lmao, word choice is literally what started this, Gwens main point came from pretty much bolding the fact that I use "Definitely". and you've been using that to build incase against me, and every possible case I make against that is just thrown under the boss. God forbid I get town vibes from only a few posts. You can scum read someone for a few posts, but town reading is forbidden, because only mafia know town, so its obvious that he knows that lucian really is town. Theres nothing I can do against that logic unless I find scum leads on someone else, and finding day 1 scum leads is my weakest link. I missed the 'definitely' part of Gwen's read. Townies can do scummy things too btw. I am still interested in you answering my original questions though. The ones I mentioned when I voted you, but now I realize that's largely based on meta from our most recent game together. Hold the phone. |
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LucianRoy said: lastwhisper31 said: Good to know im being lynched for town reading, Im gunna have to out my role at this point, I wont have time in the morning to check up on this game . @Gwendolly, Last seems really intent on proving themselves town in this post by claiming pre-emptively. What do you make of it? If I calculate right, there are 4 on him now? Would you think there'd be scum on there? Also it seems that my oppinion is important to you. Is that because you townread me already? |
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lastwhisper31 said: [/b]What opinion of everyone else? lol, I told you most all posts were nai, except how I saw Lucians posts. I havent even suspected anyone really, and explain to me where I completely 180 peoples thoughts and read? So now I need to go a long with every read or I'm scum? and What wild theories am I suppose to have, I only stated that towards Sleip cause as much as I think it was wild, I do know where hes coming from because, I posted a lot of stuff like that in previous games. You can easily turn anything anyone says against them, or for them, "I like wild theories", well I dont see any wild theories yet, hmm, hmm??? That line is exactly what im so hesitant to just drop town reads on people, sure I can change my read at any time, but people are manipulative if you give them a reason to think they are being town read that kinda gives them slight power. Ruu got away with too much shit in kiznaiver mafia. Also why would you have to go with every read? Just like people don't want to blatantly follow logic you don't have to follow other reads. The problem is if 4 people see town intent in a post and you see scum intent then something is fishy. |
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Shinichi-Kun said: Gwendolly said: I wouldnt want to lynch someone active. Feel free to convince me, as you havent properly done that. What happened to your conviction, also ignore the game's health when deciding who to lynch. The only reason LW got in trouble is because he was being active. You already know that I dont like inactives (especially if they are lurking scum), because i have stated this a thousand times :P So I'm still up for anything else! |
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Gwendolly said: Shinichi-Kun said: What happened to your conviction, also ignore the game's health when deciding who to lynch. The only reason LW got in trouble is because he was being active. You already know that I dont like inactives (especially if they are lurking scum), because i have stated this a thousand times :P So I'm still up for anything else! So are you willing to lynch an inactive or not im confused by your wording lol |
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